tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post2298669559089159208..comments2024-02-21T23:33:41.359-07:00Comments on Only a little Sugar-Coated: How I came to support marriage equality... again.jenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14191688082941672114noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-22762988605003749992012-05-17T09:53:59.486-06:002012-05-17T09:53:59.486-06:00If you're may I be damned, no doubt about it. ...If you're may I be damned, no doubt about it. But as I said I personally have no problem with a legal union between two people of the same gender. Marriage as I know it is more sacred than my life. <br /><br />I never in any of my posts said any desire for you to stop living your lifestyle. Know that the sacredness of marriage as a religious covenant between a man a woman and God is as Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13342362750610510250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-675259621957064642012-05-17T08:18:26.130-06:002012-05-17T08:18:26.130-06:00Jewel- I am sorry that religion and society has ma...Jewel- I am sorry that religion and society has made you feel unloved and unwanted. I am sorry that my posts have made you feel that way too. I am happy that you are going on your own journey to find happiness and I hope you find it. No one deserves to be made to feel the way you have. I recognize that my beliefs can be interpreted as uncaring and hurtful. I am sorry for that. I do believe Debbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11203142545716845885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-65114779669914230922012-05-17T02:33:32.079-06:002012-05-17T02:33:32.079-06:00War on religion?
Try being bisexual and transgend...War on religion?<br /><br />Try being bisexual and transgender and nearly killing yourself for it, over and over again, because of the things that are so sacred -- like the body you're supposed to have, and the voice you're supposed to have, and a relationship with the person you love -- that someone awful and evil and immoral and inferior like you should never be allowed to have them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-21842874920456791852012-05-17T02:25:55.311-06:002012-05-17T02:25:55.311-06:00Once I realized the depth of the tragedy of God...Once I realized the depth of the tragedy of God's plan of salvation -- that gay people had to be celibate their whole lives, go their whole lives without hugging or holding hands or dating or marrying or being with someone they love -- and that God was going to split up all the loving gay and lesbian couples around me, including my friends, in the next life, and make the people in them Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-53631976211244764242012-05-17T02:19:49.990-06:002012-05-17T02:19:49.990-06:00Catholic priests aren't forced to marry people...Catholic priests aren't forced to marry people who have divorced. What makes you think your church's priests will be forced to marry gay people in their religious ceremonies?<br /><br />Unless, of course, they work in civil government as well, and are fulfilling its functions by performing a civil wedding for a same-gender couple. In which case, I'm so sorry your freedom to be cruel Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-4738635943775852532012-05-17T02:16:14.130-06:002012-05-17T02:16:14.130-06:00Strider, if you're so worried about children h...Strider, if you're so worried about children having good role models, consider the horrible example you're setting to them. Especially to gay children, where the message you're telling them is "please disappear. You make me uncomfortable."<br /><br />Know why gay kids commit suicide? Because that's the message they get, loud and clear, and they finally give in and oblige.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-9403732335643344462012-05-16T13:15:32.016-06:002012-05-16T13:15:32.016-06:00Jen- I don't know the racists that were in you...Jen- I don't know the racists that were in your ward growing up, but it wasn't in my ward. I dated a black kid for several years and no one said anything to me about it. that breaks my heart you telling me that people were being mean to a young girl. I am so sorry that you had to experience that.Debbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11203142545716845885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-21642842292137808972012-05-16T12:54:07.493-06:002012-05-16T12:54:07.493-06:00I like your statement --- [In that case, I think t...I like your statement --- [In that case, I think the issue is clear - when my beliefs infringe upon another's right (in this case, to be alive) - their rights take precedence over my beliefs. I can't murder in the name of religion, Nephi and Laban notwithstanding.] I even appreciated the humor at the end. I whole heartedly agree with your statement. <br /><br />You are right that thereDebbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11203142545716845885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-13537233341359167652012-05-16T11:34:28.233-06:002012-05-16T11:34:28.233-06:00I'm for some sort of Civil Union, I respect an...I'm for some sort of Civil Union, I respect and admire a desire to commit yourself to someone for a lifetime. They have every right to be recognized by the government, where my grief is where it's a religious institution. Same sex couples can raise good people. Families with a father and mother can have horrible children. Single parents can and have raised some amazing people that I love Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13342362750610510250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-8903112993913248702012-05-16T10:05:23.782-06:002012-05-16T10:05:23.782-06:00I believe we need to sacrifice a virgin to the Sun...I believe we need to sacrifice a virgin to the Sun God to ensure a bountiful harvest. If not being sacrificed is going to be a constitutional right, freedom of religion and worship will be infringed upon.<br /><br />In that case, I think the issue is clear - when my beliefs infringe upon another's right (in this case, to be alive) - their rights take precedence over my beliefs. I can't Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281124557281395046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-78931858445897100472012-05-16T09:50:16.371-06:002012-05-16T09:50:16.371-06:00I have not found any objective evidence to date th...I have not found any objective evidence to date that children raised by gay parents are any worse off than children raised by straight parents. On the contrary, it's virtually impossible for a gay couple to "accidentally" have a child, which means that unless a partner brings along children from a former relationship, a gay couple is nearly always raising children because they'Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281124557281395046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-47633405624134506902012-05-16T09:21:27.247-06:002012-05-16T09:21:27.247-06:00Jus - I haven't read the rest of the replies y...Jus - I haven't read the rest of the replies yet... I wanted to respond to you first. (And I am pretty sure that my need to protect my baby brother will get me contradicting myself all over the place, so I'm going to respond to the things you said, and then see what others had to say.)<br /><br />It's true, I don't believe in he sanctity of marriage. I don't believe that God jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14191688082941672114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-65990634233914048582012-05-16T09:10:11.316-06:002012-05-16T09:10:11.316-06:00I am pro-gay-marriage as I do not believe that the...I am pro-gay-marriage as I do not believe that the government should have any say in who can and cannot have the benefits of marriage. However, where I draw the line, is if the government makes my church marry anyone they do not wish to marry. There are plenty of churches that will, and there are plenty of court houses and non-denominational people licensed to marry couples outside of the hammerhorseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07144749417680923288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-12501366151643694112012-05-16T06:20:21.537-06:002012-05-16T06:20:21.537-06:00Jen- I absolutely love you and respect your love f...Jen- I absolutely love you and respect your love for all people. I am so sad for those that have had to go through unnecessary trials because of gender attraction. I think that the greatest commandment is to love God and the second like unto it is to love our neighbor as ourselves. If we had more love for our neighbor, I think most problems in the world will go away. I love your honesty and Debbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11203142545716845885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-62243980487786122272012-05-16T05:39:27.932-06:002012-05-16T05:39:27.932-06:00[---Please understand that no one is taking away a...[---Please understand that no one is taking away a single ***bleep*** thing from you. If If I or any other person gets married it is in no way going to affect you, at all....]"<br /><br />Becky- If marriage is going to be a constitutional right, freedom of religion and worship will be infringed upon. Equality for All is the main organization that has been pushing for same sex marriage and Debbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11203142545716845885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-10789888723291924032012-05-16T01:05:35.377-06:002012-05-16T01:05:35.377-06:00Adding to Becky (thank you for eloquently saying e...Adding to Becky (thank you for eloquently saying everything I wanted to, Becky)...<br /><br />As a child who grew up without a male role model, being left out of the category of "productive citizens" is offensive and troubling, not just to me, but to many other children of situations other than the nuclear family. Converse with anyone who has grown up without a mother and father presentRyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03437312491695698660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-28889013966779759692012-05-16T01:04:53.618-06:002012-05-16T01:04:53.618-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03437312491695698660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-4701106731718677312012-05-16T00:15:16.231-06:002012-05-16T00:15:16.231-06:00I'm concerned that you balk at the idea of hel...I'm concerned that you balk at the idea of helping people who are a minority or different then you out. I was always taught to help people no matter who they were.You aren't giving anything up by allowing them this civil opportunity. Nothing at all, and if you think that your marriage is going to be affected by that, then you have to do some thinking about your marriage<br /><br />.PleaseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-1403795728639618402012-05-16T00:14:48.931-06:002012-05-16T00:14:48.931-06:00GBLT people are not attacking your right to marry,...GBLT people are not attacking your right to marry, they are not divorcing you and your spouse, nor are they doing anything else insidious that you think they seem to be doing. The fact that you even assert this without proof is grounds for that argument to be dismissed. A gay man or woman wants to be married because they love that other person, they want to devote their entire lives (like you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-7059330498158260182012-05-16T00:14:19.343-06:002012-05-16T00:14:19.343-06:00First off Strider, I am absolutely aghast that peo...First off Strider, I am absolutely aghast that people would still have this out-of-date perception on marriage. Do you really know what Jen believes? No, and neither do I, and neither of us should assume on her part, she is the one to tell us, not either of us.Children can have female and male role models other then the family, there are so many amazing, unique , fabulous and wonderfully loving Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2521256816974606164.post-65808118039579782752012-05-15T23:49:55.734-06:002012-05-15T23:49:55.734-06:00First off Jen, I know your opinion on the "sa...First off Jen, I know your opinion on the "sanctity of marriage" is that it's non existent, I get that. I don't believe that. <br /><br />I feel children SERIOUSLY need a male and female role model in their lives to become productive citizens. If they don't have both, it's a hurdle but not an impassable barrier. Homosexuals can most definitely be great role models for Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13342362750610510250noreply@blogger.com